Akron, Ohio (The Weekly Vice) - Elizabeth Carlisle, a 20-year-old Ravenna woman was arrested on animal abuse charges after she drowned two injured rabbits inside a Petland store and then posted a photo of the deed on her Facebook page.
A Petland franchise located at the Chapel Hill Mall in Akron was closed down Wednesday after a photo on Carlisle's Facebook page showed her holding dead rabbits after the animals were drowned. A caption under the photo boasted that she drowned the rabbits because they were injured.
Investigators say Carlisle posted the photograph on July 28. An entry on her page credited the store manager with taking the photograph. She went on to explain the animals were drowned after they became injured during a fight.
Petland headquarters condemned the incident, announcing it had revoked the store's license. Animals recovered from the store are being transferred to other locations.
"Petland will in no way, shape or form tolerate any abuse of animals in it's care," stated officials in a press release. "We are outraged at this gross violation of Petland's animal care standards.
Carlisle was booked into jail on two counts of harming a companion animal. She is scheduled to be arraigned on August 17.
Carlisle's father, Joe Carlisle, defended his daughter, describing her as a respectful young woman simply working her way through college.
"She is a good, good person who is innocent totally as a human being of any and all wrongdoing," insisted Carlisle.
The Weekly Vice Opinion:
I'm not sure what bothers me more. The sadistic look on this creepy chic's face as she holds the corpses of two dead animals - or the complete disregard of this vile act by the woman's father.
She's totally innocent of all wrongdoing? Really?
Mr. Carlisle, I think I'm beginning to see where this woman's stupidity originated from. Do you have an alarming, rooster feather hairstyle too?
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Stupid criminals make it so easy for police.
I'm sure she'll make a nice psycho-bitch girlfriend for some lucky guy!
Thats just sick and so sad:(
Creepy
apparently the bunnies were allowed to abuse each other; one was even missing an eye!
is anyone equally disturbed by the kid who killed 19 cats in florida?
Wow. She took a photo of what she did and posted it on her Facebook. Why? To "look" whatever it was you were looking to portray to others. Amazing. Ya know Jeffrey Dahlmer started out killing animals. I understand that the rabbits were injured but that doesn't justify killing them in a manner obviously NOT cleared by the company and THEN taking and posting the picture so everyone can see just how messed up you are. You look scary I will give you that. I hope your the one looking scared now.
It would be a stretch to give her the benefit of doubt. But if the bunnies were indeed injured and were going to die I would be ok putting them out of their misery. The fact it looks like she took glee in it and then posted it online she loses that benefit and makes it look like she is a sadistic witch. Now how to find out if she is a witch.. Oh yeah we try and drown her if she survives the drowning we know she is a witch and used her powers to survive and we hang her. If she dies oh well she might have deserved it anyway.
what is the store policy on dying or seriously injured animals?....like what the international court says, following orders does not exempt you from the law....or does it?
Corperate HQ said store employees and/or management is barred from euthenizing animals for any reason.
You would hope each store has two or three vets that they use to properly "put down" animals who are sick and in pain.
I can't imagine the company advocating a 20 year old employee picking up rabbits and drowning them in a utility sink as being anywhere near their policy. Picture or no picture.
She actually is a great girl. Maybe you guys shouldn't take the media's take on the story when you don't know the facts. I'm not defending the act, I'm just saying to take what the news says with a grain of salt because little of it is truth.
Oh we love anonymous defenders here on this site. Tell us more!
yes, anonymous defender...Please tell us the facts.
1. Petland HQ told us the facts.
2. Authorities told us the facts
3. Obviously the girl herself posted some of the facts on her facebook page.
And now, along comes this psycho's buddy to tell us we don't know the facts.
Yes, do tell, please.
Perhaps you were there. Perhaps you are the manager who snapped the photo....feeling a bit guilty for instructing her to do it?
Please tell us more.
Anon - I'm not going to argue whether she is a great girl or not.
But you said little of the story is truth so what part is not true?
If she and her manager went off of store policy to put the rabbits out,fine, but then why take the glee and post the pictures. If you were doing something off the record or off from rules wouldn't you try and keep it on the down low?
Sparkling, I'm not in with drowning animals as being fine. If you need to put an animal down, take it to a vet. It's not expensive and it respects the animal.
I have known workers and owners of pet store and some have killed sick rabbit, hamster, gerbils etc. as vet charges $30, which was more then the animals cost, to put them down. The store just used the dead animal for food for its snakes. The snakes still like the warth of the body yet dont have to fight with the fight of the animal which then hurts the snake. The animals were put out of misery as they were sick and dying went they are put down. But the store keeps that info private and would never take glee in any animal it needs to put down.
I don't know about you all, but all I wanna know is when the PETA girls will be out protesting pet shops. I'm kind of in the mood for bunny ears and a cotton tail.
She is a good person and is a caring person, I'm friends with Liz and I know for a fact that she is a good person and also a good friend. I think it's sad that all you people are taking the media's word as fact. You should really get to know the person before you start to judge them.
Oh Richard.... None of us are gonna argue if she is a good friend or if she is caring and nice person because none of us actually know her...
But please tell the truth. When u look at her pic posted above does she not look a lil too happy holding two dead rabbits in her hands? Kinda freaky if u ask me.
Also, SHE is the one that posted that creepy looking pic on HER facebook. That is the difference between her looking like she killed the rabbits to end their suffering, and her looking like she did it for enjoyment.
I know u want to stand up for your friend but she cooked her own goose on this one.
Also, if they were gonna put them down, they should of had them properly euthanized. I wouldn't be able to hold an animals head underwater while they fought for their life. That was cruel.
So Richard, ur friend may be nice. But I think she is also a little sick and twisted.
Thanks and have a nice day.
What ZachB said...
Not one, but TWO defenders, neither one of them addressing the facts. Come on you morons, if your buddy is such a great girl, TELL US THE FACTS! Is it not true she did it? Is it not true she posted the picture? Is it not true she looks happy in that picture?
Fuck her, and fuck you. Her sick, twisted antics are going to remain on the Internet for all time now. Good deal. I hope she is miserable because of it.
And the really great thing is that now with the story out, she can't simply take it off of her Facebook page and deny it 10 years down the road when a prospective employer does a search on her. LOL. That is what animal abusers deserve.
I'm close to Liz, and I'm relieved she has been busted. This girl has alot of serious issues.
I'm not surprised she has killed animals - I've always thought she was some sort of murderer. The picture speaks for itself. She is nuts.
To all the anon defenders above and those fixing to chime in. Please look at the picture .This chick is a sadistic sick fuck who is smiling about what she did. No amount of lawyer speak will change that.
ZachB,
Yes I will admit she did cook herself with the picture I will be the first to admit it and yes what she did was wrong. I also couldn't do this to an anmial. The facts of the case will come out in court. I'm not going to discuss the facts over the internet. That is why we have court systems in America. If I talked about the facts it could hurt the court case and I wouldn't do that to a friend.
To Redneck you really have no class at all. I was trying to have a civil discussion with people and there you go swearing at me and Liz. I will be happy to continue this discussion with anyone who wants to be civil about it.
What could you possibly say that would hurt her case????
It seems more likely that you need time to think up something that might sound plausible for such a heinous act.
The picture is res ipsa loquitur. A Latin term meaning "the thing speaks for itself."
We leave it to the courts to judge her... We're judging the deed!
Richard - it is impossible to have a "civil" discussion when talking about sickos like this. Anyone who wantonly and happily abuses, maims and kills animals is in serious need of therapy.
And I'm sorry if I hurt your poor feelings. I have no patience or sympathy on any level for someone who would do this. I've long said animal abuse laws should mirror those of child abuse laws when it comes to penalties. All to often you see cases like this where the person gets off with a slap on the wrist. It isn't right.
So I'm going to continue to curse and be uncivil about monsters like this.
By the way - unless you are her lawyer, I doubt seriously anything you have to add could hurt her case. Were you there or something? If so, you should be charged as well.
Ida,
Trust me I'm not trying to buy time to come up with something.
The Court is actually judging the deed and not her. The deed she is "accused" of doing is what is against the law, she isn't against the law. People on this website are judging her like redneck. I still stand by her 100%, we all make mistakes in life. Everyone should be given a second chance in life. I'm sure you and everyone else on this website has been given a second chance, in some point in your life.
Redneck,
I just hate dealing with idiots and people who can't express their feelings without cursing. No I wasn't there but if I was there I would have stopped it from happening, I love animals myself, I have a beagle, and turtles who I love.
I'm very well familiar with second chance. My favorite book is 'Les Miserables`'
A second chance isn't an automatic thing. It's given to those who pay for their crime or right the wrong as best as can be done and are truly repentant.
'Truly repentant' doesn't mean sorry I got caught.
Yeah "Les Miserables" is a great book, I also have read it many times. I also agree it's not an automatic thing. Only time will tell how truly repentant Liz will be after all this is over.
Richard,
I'm perfectly capable of expressing myself without cursing. I do it all the time. You don't know me any more than I know you or Liz.
But people who torture and kill animals and children deserve a special place in hell as far as I'm concerned. There is never an excuse for it. So unless she was or is clinically insane, she is not getting off the hook with me, nor is she with a lot of people.
I admire the fact that you are standing by your friend. But regardless of your attempts to separate her from the deed, there is at least one person on here who claims to know her and says she isn't all you are making her out to be. (See the Anon comment above)
So, I maintain my position. To hell with her.
Redneck,
I respect your opinions, and admire you for standing up for what you believe in. We will never agree on this issue, but that's ok having our own opinions and being able to discuss them is what is great about living in America and being Americans. I really really hope this never happens again to any animals because no animal should be treated this way.
This picture really creeps me out. It is a sad world we live in when others cannot feel compassion for those who are hurt, children or animals.
Richard,
I agree. Having served in the Army, I know better than most what freedom costs. And although I loathe the fact that people are willing to stand up for this person, I have to let them do it, same as you have to let me tear them down. At least we agree on that much.
America is a great place. :)
She did nothing wrong. Hell if she ate the rabbits afterward not a damn person would mind. I ear rabbits once a week. How do u think they end up a food? Why on earth do we give rights to animals that we eat? To pick the side of prey over a human being is sick and pathological!
Killing an animal for food is completely different than killing it for ur own messed up version of pleasure.
A life is a life. Whether it's a rabbit, turtle, dog, or whatever.
Yeah if that bitch would of ate the rabbits after killing them we wouldnt be tripping but she forgot to eat them so kill her i say kill her.. just kidding
I think it's highly ironic that most of the people complaining about the so called "animal abuse" here probably eat meat, buy from puppy mills, or support any number of other institutions where animals suffer much more than a minute or so of drowning.
I don't know the facts, or this woman...but as somebody who has dealt with animals my entire life I can say that she may have been acting HUMANELY...those who say this is completely indefensible are ignorant at best, and possibly hypocritical.
Drowning, historically, was accepted as one of the most humane ways to euthanize animals. It is still used widely today in some places. As I child I witness my parents and grandparents having to drown one of our animals on occasion. It was tough, but it's a fact of life.
What way you you have them do it? Snap it's neck? Shoot it in the head?
Sure you could take it to the Vet, I agree that would be nice...but who's going to pay for it? That's not always practical.
The people saying she is sick, or taking glee in the suffering of animals are jumping to unfounded conclusions.
When someone takes a picture of you, it's only natural to strike a pose. As far as I can tell the worst she seems guilty of is having a black sense of humor.
Yes, drowning an animal is brutal, but so is this world we live in....and people who don't live incredibly sheltered lives like so many of you do apparently can sometimes find humor in this bleakness.
Like I said, I'm not aquainted with this woman or the facts of the case...but it makes me sick that so many of you are quick to judge...and that many of you are so sure of yourselves and content in your comfort shelted from reality....
Oh and to the people that mentioned PETA...PETA is one of the biggest euthanizers of animals around. Many of them are healthy and adoptable, but are put down to "save" them from become "pets" (many PETA nuts view this as like being a slave, a fate worse than death)
They often use drowning.
I forgot to add before that, yes she broke the Pet Store's policy...that was a lapse of judgment that perhaps she should lose her job for, but she may well have been doing it out of compassion.
I also love how everyone assumes that the pet store's policy is a good benchmark for the best route to take...or that they somehow know best.
Because we all know that what corporations have in mind when they come up with their policies is not their own best interests, or profit, or covering their asses legally, or pleasing the public.....but what is best for everyone..../sarcasm
Redneck,
I just want to say thank you very much for serving the country while you were in the Army, I hold the highest respect in the world for anyone currently serving or that has served in the past. Sometimes I feel that as citizens we don't say thank you enough to people that are serving or have already served.
HUMANELY?? Are you kidding me!?
If you found an injured dog on the side of the road with damage beyond repair would you drown it? Of course not you'd take it to a vet. Tell them you found it and the office will take care of it. That's what should have been done in this case. Who should pay? The idiot that was negligent enough to let the rabbits fight to the point of injury they sustained. If two CHICKENS had enough sense to stop a rabbit fight why didn't a member of the shop? (search the video on youtube) She may be a great girl who knows and honestly what does it matter at this point. If you kill an animal in such a fashion how can you smile about it? Oh I know because her manager said "Say cheese!" Yea I get it BUT WHY HOLD UP THE RABBITS YOU JUST DROWNED MORON!! Great person my ass.
Richard,
Have you looked at the photo? End of discussion. Bitch is sick,sick,sick.
@ RedneckBiker & Richard,
Civilized discourse on the internet? Y'all are going to get fired if you keep that up.
I'm all for black humor. In my job, it's either laugh at death or cry all the time. I don't often hold the corpses of the latest highway fatality up to the camera, grinning about it. Surely have never posted such a photo. There's something wrong with this girl. Richard, honey if you are her friend, quit defending her. Get her some help.
vv
THIS outrages me. I am so pissed over this! I want to drown the girl and her father myself! The poor bunnies could have been taken to a vet. Her gleefully drowning them is unforgivable! People who harm defensless animals will rot in HELL!
To the other anonymous poster,
Maybe it is hypocritical, but I don't care. Yes, I eat meat. If God didn't want us to eat meat, why did he make animals taste so good? I can't control how the animals get treated on the farms that raise them, but I'm not going to stop eating it because that happens sometimes. I've even eaten rabbit quite a few times. But I don't go kill a pet rabbit and take joy in it, any more than I enjoy killing a deer for dinner. I shoot it and make it quick and clean.
So get off your high horse. And have some balls next time you post and don't pick "anonymous".
Firstly, I am not posting as "Anonymous" because I am "afraid" of some idiots on the internet....
I've never been to this site before...I don't have an account here..I don't have a Google account or an Open ID...I'm posting Anonymously because it's the only option that doesn't require me to log in.
The fact that you use this as some sort of straw man or ad hominem attack is laughable.
To the person who mentioned it, I'm not taking you to task for eating meat. I eat meat myself. What I am saying is that many animals in the factory (or even small) farm system are horribly abused. If you eat meat, unless you are very careful to make sure to only eat meat which is produced humanely (even if you do, some would say that you eat it at all)...you have no right to criticize someone for putting down an animal. In fact it makes you guilty of supporting animal abuse which is as good as committing it yourself....Plain and simple.
One could perhaps not be blamed if they were ignorant of the suffering of the animals, but you admit to knowledge of it, and shrug it off because "you can't do anything about it"....which in addition to being false does not absolve you of guilt. How is this woman any worse than you? Because she's a little closer to "the fact" than you are? I suppose that's true to an extent...but perhaps it only makes her more honest.
I'm not trying to put you down for the fact that you are an animal abuser (and yes most of you are).... as I've said before I don't ride around on a high horse in some sheltered bubble...I know the world is a cruel place. I try to minimize it(as I'm sure some of you do, perhaps misguidedly) but it's not always possible.
I'm just saying people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Nothing bothers me more than hypocrisy where people criticize someone for something they themselves are guilty of and then start special pleading "oh well it's different when *I* do it because blah blah blah"
I think you're being intellectually dishonest...Perhaps you don't take "glee" in hunting...but every hunting trip I've been on has not been some somber or sacred affair the *entire* time...sometimes someone will even make a joke! Maybe even about the prey/hunting!
If that's not how it is for you and it is solemn and somber the whole time...I can respect that..that's fine...but are these other people sick or twisted because they joke around a little when hunting?
Have you ever played with your food (meat) or made a joke at dinner? Yes? Oh you sick person, taking glee in the killing of that cow. How dare you!
Like I said, I'm not acquainted with this woman or all the facts of the case...It could very well be that she deliberately put down some animals that did not need it, and perhaps even enjoyed it.
In that case she should be pitied and helped to find why she has these problems, and helped to resolve them.
What I am pointing out is that the righteousness so many of you seem to feel is completely unwarranted, and your judgment perhaps too quick.
You suffer the very same lack of compassion you so virulently attack this woman for, and it makes me sick.
I think one of the biggest problems we have as a society is everyone (including me!) often walks around with an insufferable sense of entitlement, righteousness, and judgment.
So please, let's all THINK...and instead of casting stones, hating, and judging each other...DO SOMETHING to make the world a better place.
Also...Allow me to clarify myself...I thought I was pretty clear before, but I can see how people might have misunderstood.
I said drowning was "historically considered a humane way to kill"...which is true. I said it is still used in some places...which is true.
I was not trying to say that it is the "best" way to euthanize, or that it is painless etc...but to explain the possible rationale in the mind of someone who is doing it.
Ok, one more post and I'm done., because honestly, I don't think either of us is going to change our minds on this.
First, if you click on the "Name/URL" button, you can post under any name you want. So you don't have to "log-in" or register in any way, shape or form. Kind of a nice feature that some people miss.
You may have missed the point of the site, maybe not. But is designed as a shame site, so people can come and vent, and the guilty (or soon to be found guilty) can be made fun of. While the court of public opinion is not valid for legal issues, it is still perfectly valid for determining who is fit to live among us. Why can't we judge the people who act out of of social norms in this country and still be good people trying to make our world a better place? I don't see how being outraged precludes that.
If this makes you sick to see all this, you are definitely in the wrong place. That is the bottom line.
I gotta tell you, this whole "you eat meat that comes from animals that have been abused" thing sounds JUST like PETA, which makes me wonder if you aren't really a member. They demonstrated at the KFC here recently, and that was their entire argument. Not that we shouldn't eat meat, but that the chickens were abused on the way to my bucket of extra crispy. They even went out of their way to suggest that we should eat at Popeye's or something, because they forced them to change the way their chickens were killed, so it was more humane.
I offered them a piece. Then I laughed when they went pale.
Now, if that makes me some kind of sick, twisted animal, so be it. All I know is that I don't go out of my way to abuse animals. My dogs (and even my wife's cat, who I don't like much sometimes) are treated better than most people's kids are. I grieved for months when I put my oldest dog to sleep last year. So don't tell me I have no more compassion than this woman. Like it or not, there are two distinct classes of animals in this world - pets and food. Food is not going to be pampered all the time. Not that it should be abused, but I am not going to go out of my way to investigate every vendor of meat from the supermarket back through the supply chain to the farm, and make sure Bessie was put to sleep with a pillow and a story so I can feel good about eating her.
So whether all that gives me a sense of self-righteousness that I haven't earned in your eyes, I don't care. I still say I'm better than people like this woman, I do have more compassion, and I think most of us who are here "judging" these people do. I even made sure I killed the enemy in Iraq with more compassion than she showed those rabbits, when I could have easily done otherwise and gotten away with it.
Lastly, regardless of whether or not drowning has been or is a method of putting animals down, I still say it is inhumane, and anyone who practices it is sick. Drowning is a terrifying way to go. I know - I almost drowned as a child. It is much cleaner and more humane to give them a shot or snap their neck, or shoot them.
@anonymous.
You don't need a google account or any kind of log in to use a screen name.
Just click name/url and type a name in and you're done.
It's sad in our society that so many comments are on here over 2 f*cking rabbits...but if it was 2 kids raped and abused and killed...there would way fewer comments. I am not saying what she did wasn't cruel...I don't condone it at all...
I am just saying...
It's sick people like this that ruin the world. More and more people are turning out like this, not enough people care and the oh nice cops and government get paid off.
May her stomach rot inside her body while she is alive!
Click my url thing to go and sign a petition to get her charged to the full extent of the law!
Laura,
I have to agree with you. It really blows my mind how so many people are chiming on over something that I like to go out and hunt! lol Come on people!! They were two RABBITS!!! There are thousands of them running wild all over the place! Yea, it was twisted and sick. Whatever! I understand that people say there is a link between killing animals and serial killers, whatever. But to be arrested for this?? Come on! It is a shame when a society believes that animals are more precious than humans...
That is what is truly sick and twisted to me!
Kinda reminds me of the manson women. Euthenasia with a smile
Stephanie - you need to go through this site more. Some of the abuse cases get quite a few comments. I don't really understand the psychology behind the stories and the reactions of people to them, but some stories generate more outrage than others. There are some child abuse stories on here with quite a few comments.
Wonder if some of the people on these posts would feel the same way if they were having their head held underwater. No judgments, I'm just sayin' ... just wonderin' ...
Yes, Andrew, because rabbits are human too!
Do you work for PETA?
Cry for the kids...not for the bunnies.
I am just sayin'.
Laura
Have you perhaps considered that the same people who are upset about these two rabbits and are posting on this site might also be just as upset or even more upset about cases where children are abused. This story is ONLY about the rabbits.
Next time don't assume that because we care about animal welfare that it means we don't care about the welfare of children (and people in general). There are compassionate people in the world who care about people AND animals. It is possible believe it or not - can you imagine!
Also, I think it should be pointed out that eating meat OR torturing and killing animals are two completely different things. Taking pleasure (or making it look like you are taking pleasure) in killing animals is not the same thing as buying meat from a grocery store. I agree that many of the meat products sold in grocery stores come from factories where animals are not treated humanely - if you like to eat meat, but worry about the welfare of animals you can eat organic meat, cage free eggs etc. But that is a different topic. Either way to put this girl in the same category as someone like me or other people on this site is just not rational.
I love animals - all animals. I do a lot of volunteer work with different animal groups and know all too well about puppy mills so don't assume everyone on this site who are upset about this event are hypocrites. I can say it again - torturing animals and taking pleasure in it is NOT the same as eating meat. Whether it is company policy or not to put down an animal themselves - if someone told you to drown two pet bunnies would you? I know I wouldn't - if they were truly hurt I'd take them to the local vet. I just can't believe that someone who works in a pet store could do this and look happy about it...she works in a pet store - she should be an advocate for these animals! She definitely should never be allowed around animals or event children again.
Yeah, I think if I was told to drown a couple of animals I'd just kidnap them, take them to the vet, and have them put to sleep and have them bill the store and get fired over it. I'd be out of a job, but I'd sleep better that night.
Casey,
I care about animals. My dog I have had for 7 years I got when he was 2 days from being put to sleep. He can be a little sh*t, but I love the bastard. I don't eat mammals (a personal choice), but I don't cry when other people do...that's their choice that they are entitled to. If people want to hunt, and it's legal, hunt.
Still, the point I was trying to make is humans are more important than animals. And to point out that there was more of a reaction over 2 rabbits than kids raped or tortured to death.
I wonder if richard is the father of the "i like tutles" zombie kid..
Laura- you're an idiot.. you obviously are too dense to understand what a 'topic' is.. we are discussing the issue of two rabbits that were tortured and murdered. If you would like to discuss other topics, then go do so- no one is making you read and post here. OH- and why do you assume the people here don't have just as much compassion for other issues... unlike you, the general public over the age of two is capable of caring about more than one issue. Lastly- your poor puppy, who is most likely more intelligent than you, is aware through your actions and discourse that he is 'not as important as humans'. Ok enough, you are not worth any more of my time.
Bottom line on the issue at hand- I hope the judge appointed to this case realizes the huge potential they have to make a statement against animal abuse, and to raise awareness of the complete nightmare pet stores inflict on any innocent creature unlucky enough to end up in these heartless puppymill-connected pet stores such as Petland. I can't even imagine what else has happened in that store- or ALL pet stores for that matter. She deserves the maximum sentence, and same for all parties involved.
Anon, this site has function for a long time without sinking to the level of calling each other idiots.
Laura has a valid point when she says animal abuse cases many times evoke stronger reactions than many child abuse cases do.
It's also true that this is not always the case. We have had child abuse cases with twice the number of comments.
Laura's not an argumentative person. She's commented here for a long time and I know she's not looking to argue.
Both child abuse cases and animal abuse cases evoke strong reaction because they effect a victim that doesn't have control over the situation they are in.
Both are unacceptable and outrageous.
"[T]he manager took the pic for me. [S]he reminded me that there were people outside as [I] was swearing at them to just hurry up and die but then she was so kind as to take this picture."
-[I] should not of been add, it was the manger that was swearing at them to die. Read more careful before jumping to conclusions. She was telling her friends on facebook what her manger had her do.
"Drown these rabbits and I will have you pose for a picture so if any thing happens I can use this picture to get you fired and not me" -What the manger may have been thinking
They secretly drown/freeze animals at this Petland location because it cost the manger money to have them put down by a vet. Liz did as she was told so she wouldn't lose her job. The economy of the area makes finding jobs impossible for young people, so you do as the manager tells you. Her only mistake was showing the world the truth that happens behind closed doors. (and listening to her stupid manger)
She is not the psycho, The manger is lying about everything to cover his own butt from legal fines.
Boycott Petland, and stop threatening her
I agree - Petland should be boycotted, but Elizabeth should be held accountable too. Even if her manager told her to do it she didn't have to - she had a choice. Morals rank higher than employment (especially by a company such as Petland), but that's just my opinion and obviously not the opinion of everyone on this site.
HEY JOE (ELIZABETH'S FATHER)
JUST FROM YOUR STATEMENT WE
NOW UNDERSTAND WHY THAT THING YOU RAISED ACTS AS IT DOES !!!
DON'T BREED ANYMORE JOE, WE DON'T WANT THE DAMN THINGS!
AND DO US A FAVOR, PUT DOWN THIS ONE AND ANYMORE YOU GOT AT HOME WOULD YA!
YOU'RE A DAMN MORON JOE CARLISLE AND YOUR DAUGHTER NEEDS HER OVARIES REMOVED.
I don't have a google account, but I am someone who hates both animal abuse and phycos. I also don't like people spreading salt into others wounds, like they're having fun doing it. Sure, Elizabeth carlisle did something totally wrong, and she should be punished, yada yada, but it doesn't mean you need to whack her anymore. she's probably going to have to serve time in jail, and she won't be feeling any better about this. Redneck biker, shut up, and you too, stephenie and laura. There is no need for bad words, and those rabbits were injured. they could've survived the injuries if Elizabeth hadn't drowned them. Sure, I just said not to knock her, but I'm going on both sides.
Freinds stick up for their friends because they care about thm, and do't wat peoplek nocking their freinds. I bet you've dealt with this before, if you haven't, you must be leading a perfect life, and no one does.
Ah to Stephanie & Laura.....
Some folks can't have kids so the furry babies are all we have. To you they are "just rabbits" but they are just as much companions as a dog or cat. It is true a lot of serial killers start with killing small animals, I'm glad she doesn't live near me. You care so much perhaps she's in your neighborhood, watch your kids she may step to a new level sometime soon.
It doesn't matter whether or not the rabbits were injured. If petland can't afford a vet to humanely put sick animals down, they shouldn't be in business.
The thing that disturbs me the most is her smile in the picture. Like she was happy she did it.
The manager and elizabeth should both be accountable for their actions. I've seen post saying that her manager made her do it, but by looking at the picture, it doesn't look like her arm was being twisted.
We do know the facts. Elizabeth Carlisle posted them on her facebook page, and even spoke of being reprimanded by her manager for shouting at the rabbits to "... f_ _ _ing hurry up and die."
Good people do not do things like this, and for anyone to defend her actions on any level is ludicrous. She may well appear to be a fine young woman on other counts, but she showed her ass by dong this. She's no different from Michael Vick.
By scarifying these two rabbits to GOD all her sins are forgiven -according to the old testament
The ironic thing is that it's discussions like these that were a big part of my becoming a vegetarian. The logic was always, I eat animals that may have been abused, so *whatever the discussion was about* isn't so bad after all. Turn it around and you get; if I think animal abuse is so bad, maybe I shouldn't be eating meat. I tried going meatless for a month just to see what it would like, and found out it wasn't nearly as hard as I thought it would be.
So can can I be non-hypocritcal in saying that what she did was sick?
Who would post a picture on your Facebook that you think it is a shame. Obviously she think it is okay or even proud of to turture and kill an animal!
Wow - this was a pretty great discussion. I just read this article today.
I just want to say to those who are saying that the animals were injured and it was a humane thing to do: Most people who know pets know that bunnies may fight if you house them together. Once they begin to fight - it's not hard to separate them - they're bunnies!
In fact, I had bunnies that were tearing into each other. I separated them, the wounds healed, the attacker was rehomed and everything was AOK. They didn't need to be killed - not a one. I just had two Alphas vying for leadership - it's not a big deal.
She killed those animals and then posted that picture on her FaceBook page. I'm scared of her.
Something is not right in that girl's head. That she could be smiling at that moment. That, long after that moment, she could be happily posting the picture for all to see. That she could be leading her friends and family to defend this terrible act...something is not right with that girl and she needs help.
Hopefully, her family will wise up and she'll get the help she needs and children, animals and the rest of us will all be safe from her in the future.
This girl is twisted. She looks like Jack Nicholsen in "The Shining". She is a vile person, not to be trusted with children, animals, the elderly. Woe to the guy or gal who ends up with her. She is horrid and should get jail time. Never would I go to Petland if this is the kind of garbage they hire! Jill
may that bitch burn in hell
Ok, everyone is talking about wether or not this was done cuz shes sick or to put down injured bunneys, I wanna know how they were hurt, the article says they were injured after a fight was this psycho running a cock fighting ring with the rabbits in there or was she putting them in cages with cats or dogs or something. She should be thrown into a ring with big bertha and when shes injured lets drown her. Animals today children tomorrow shes just plain nuts we should stone her now before she becomes a serial killer
okay. To the guy who is attempting to stand by his little twisted bitch of a friend. I do not eat meat, I do not purchase animals from a pet store, a breeder or a puppy mill. I am a VEGAN and no, I'm not a member of PETA anymore. I prefer the ALF, thank you very much.
Do NOT attempt to tell me that she is this perfect little person who just "made a mistake". The girl has issues that clearly you have no idea about. People do not kill animals, post a pic about it on Facebook with a twisted smile on their face if they "made a simple mistake". What? Did she fall down and accidentally hold them under water while they fought for their lives? Well, I will tell you one thing. One day, someone is going to come along and make that girl feel the fear that those animals felt. Sure, one was paralyzed and the other had an eye missing but that doesn't mean they couldn't feel FEAR when they couldn't breathe. Rabbits actually struggle so hard against vivisection researchers that they break their own necks. Did you know that? So, maybe this girl gouged out the eye of one and then when she was trying to drown the animals, one broke it's neck, causing the paralysis. What she says is the truth will NEVER be heard by any thinking individual. Why? Cuz she's a heartless bitch to do something like this...and frankly, I wouldn't want to be her when the AR people find out about this en masse. They are going to be all over her like white on rice. Rightfully so.
Petland does not condone these types of behavior. Yeah right; but they cause large amounts of suffering by selling puppies from puppy mills
Hey, Im sorry. I see things like this and it makes my blood boil. Are HUMANS really the animals? I say this because we have the ability to reason, and think about what we are doing before we actually do what ever it is we are about to do. If you are a little bit human, you should be able to rationalise and know what is right and wrong. I am not gonna belittle myself by calling her a bitch and this and that, but what I am gonna do is tell it like it is. This is a very psychotic and sick individual that needs to be put away. If she can do this to poor innnocent creatures, then I can assure you that she can do this to maybe even a human. GOD forbid that this animal ever has a child, and if she does have a child, I hope and pray that child services has the intestinal fortitude to take this child away from this inhuman being before Elizibeth gets bored and decides to do something sadistic to her child. If she doesnt have a child, then Thank GOD for that. This woman is evil to the core, and so she must suffer the harshest of consequenses for her morbid and insane actions. In the end, she will be a very alone, and miserable person, because no DECENT human being would want to be with a person that has the ability to do such creul and inhuman acts as this. She even smiles in the photos. As if she were having fun! My only hopes for this...for lack of a better word...less than human...subhuman being is that someday in some great way that what she has dealt to these poor creatures that suffered in her hands, that she suffers too. I am, more than anything, sorry for the parents of this child. Id be embarrased to be a parent to a child like this. However, sadly, in many cases like this, it is because of the upbringing at home that a child becomes this kind of a monster. Thats JMO!
It is disgusting, both the monster and the deed.
To hold an innocent to its death, to feel life struggle out of her odious grasp, to allow it to depart from its corpse, to thrust it from existence - To execute all this without feeling compassion is evil.
That humans believe themselves to transcend in value the lives of other species, is sickening. Our own capricious emotions, gross bodies, and vile tendencies do not set us above the loyal, although less intelligent habits of other animals. Animal abuse is as wrong as child abuse. We are as animals, only glorified in our own twisted minds.
She is disgusting for doing this - she deserves death like those suffered at her hands.
I wouldn't trust this piece of shit to be near small children either.
The Father Mr Joe Carlisle would think his daughter Elizabeth Carlisle " is a good, good person" he has a ranch dedicated to the killing of birds were they are caged, like those bunnies at the pet store, and released to shoot/kill Quail, Pheasant http://uplandvalleysportingclays.com. I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Ally McCat
How someone can defend this woman as being a 'good' person...because she is a 'friend' just boggles my mind, have enough self-respect to cut this one loose and get some friends that don't have murderous ways,that you have to then try and defend.Then the anonymous cowards that say it's okay that she drowned them, we drown our animals that are injured all the time, cuz we don't have money for the vet! ANIMAL ABUSE I.E. DROWNING is ILLEGAL not to mention IMMORAL! Hello that is why this sad excuse for A HUMAN BEING is in jail. BTW if you don't have money for the vet, then don't have animals!! Also, if you gave a damm, you would take the injured animal to the humane society to be humanely euthanized if you where in a hopeless financial situation, not inflict a horrific death upon them.
Can't really decide what is worse... animal abusers who arguably are mentally unwell and acting out.. or the people who blindly defend then with "humans are more important than animals, thus its ok to do anything they want to an animal" idiotic mentality or "its just a mistake because I am willing blind to actions committed through free will that are technically evil."
Last check, humans are a species of animals. They only thing we are the paragons of it seems is self delusion. Secondly, as stated, studied and proven, serial killers who hurt HUMANS start out with hurting ANIMALS. Logic would dictate that from this simple observation, if one cared about humans being abused they would care about animals being abused.
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